Former DNA drummer Ikue Mori on life after No Wave

Is there room for an improvised impulse in contemporary popular music?
For me improvisation is used to make songs more unpredictable. I like to use improvisation within composed music. More and more I think there is an experimental element in popular music. When I make music, and when I was making music with DNA in the early days, we were not thinking like, ‘I am making noise.’

We were making music, expressing things that we were influenced by and that continue to influence us. We weren’t trained musicians, but I don’t want to be called a ‘noise musician’ because to be categorised like that is useless. Of course we make noise, of course we make a sound, but for us it is always music.

What was it like in 1977 for someone like you, a Japanese punk girl, to turn up in NYC?
When I went to New York I wasn’t a musician, or really interested in being a musician. I was just there to see what was happening in the scene. We’d hang out at CBGB’s and Max Kansas City. I was with my boyfriend who was a guitar player and we were just hanging. We kind of stood out because there weren’t too many Asian punks in New York at the time! I think it was James Chance and Lydia Lunch who approached us first. They were starting a band called Teenage Jesus and the Jerks and they needed a bass guitar player so my boyfriend got the gig. Then some other people asked me what I did and I just said I don’t do anything. ‘Okay,’ they said, ‘you can be our drummer!’ By chance I realised I could make a 4/4 beat and that was that.

Had you had any access to rock ‘n’ roll, jazz or improvised music up to that point?
Well, growing up in Tokyo in the 1960s we had access to Amer- ican culture. It was everywhere, really, and by the time I went to New York American TV programmes, rock music and films were very popular. I was particularly a fan of the Velvet Under- ground. I never really thought I would have been a musician, though, particularly in Japan. In Japan the rock scene is absolutely dominated by men – there were hardly any female musicians around. I had been surrounded by musicians, but it was very intimidating. Being a rock musician seemed impossible for me. But when I got to New York I met people like Lydia Lunch and Connie Bug who were artists, but were playing instruments and starting their own bands. You’d never hear them talking about technique or how to play – it was all about the idea, about doing what you wanted to do, expressing what you wanted to express. It was very liberating for me.

Do you think that women have maintained that sort of liberated position in the music industry?
Well, in the experimental music scene all over the world they certainly have. There are women drummers, on computers, guitarists. Experimental music has never relied on women being sexy in the same way that pop or rock music has.

How influential do you think the No Wave scene really was?
Well, it surprises me how often it is referred to and how often it comes up as a discussion. I have a long, long history in music since that time and it’s a bit annoying sometimes. It was an important part of my life and my development as an artist but even though I have moved on at so many levels, for some I will always be the drummer from DNA.